Similar Questions asked by Different groups

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Analyze Similar Questions asked by Different Groups!!!

There was a Lecture organized by the Ahle Hadis brothers the title of the Lecture was : Follow the Four Imams or Imamul Ambiyaa(AS)

At times questions of this nature are asked by different groups to create a doubt in the minds of common people who do not have sound knowledge of Islam(Quran, Fiqh and Hadith).

Following are the examples of questions asked by Different groups :



Ahle Tashi asks : Follow the Quran of Usman or the Quran of Prophet(SaS).

Ahle Quran asks : Follow the Six Books of Hadith or the Book of Allah(awj).

Ahle Hadith asks : Follow the Four Imams or Imamul Ambiyaa(Prophet(sas)).



Ahle Tashi(Shia) asks : Follow the Quran of Usman or the Quran of Prophet(SaS).

The Shia says that the quran Mushaf Usmani(the present Quran) is not complete as it was not written down during the time of the Prophet rather it was written down years after the Prophet(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam).

Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah answers : Little do the Shia know that there were the Huffaz of Quran who memorized the entire Quran right from the time of the Prophet(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) and also small booklets of suras which were brought together in the form of Quran is the same Quran we have now.

Click Here to see History of Compilation of Quran :



Ahle Quran(Munkireen E Hadith) asks : Follow the Six Books of Hadith or the Book of Allah(awj).

The Ahle Quran says when Allah reveled the verse of the Quran "Alyawma akmaltu lakum deenakum waatmamtu AAalaykum niAAmatee waradeetu lakumu alislama deenan".
"This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion".
The Ahle Quran says that Allah has perfected religion of Islam on this day and there was no book of Hadith Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawood, Nasaai, Ibn Majah, Muwatta ... were existed on this day. The Ahle Quran say that the books of Hadith were not written down during the time of the Prophet(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) rather they were written down years after the Prophet(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam), so why do we need this books when Islam is complete in the form of Quran. This books were written 200 years after the Prophet(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) so we should not accept them and leave them and follow only the Pure Islam from Quran. This books of hadith contains so many conflicting narrations too this is what Ahle Quran(Munkireen E Hadith) say.

Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah answers : Little do the Ahle Quran know that the explanation of the Quran is the Hadith of Muhammad(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam),
Allah says in the Quran Surah An-Nisa Verse 59: O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you,
At another place Allah says Surah Al Imran Verse 31 : "Say(O Prophet) If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."). Obeying Allah is generally from the Quran and Obey and Follow the Prophet(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) is the Sunnah of the Prophet(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) preserved in Hadith Books and in the life of Sahaba(ra).
at another place Allah says: “Whatever the Messenger gives you take it, and whatever he forbids you abstain from it.” [Surah al-Hashr: 7].

The general rule is what ever the Prophet(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) gave take it and what ever he tells to abstain from abstain from it, So where is that which the Prophet(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) gave, it is Preserved in the Books of Hadith.

the scholars call this group as Munkireen E Hadith - Rejectors of all the Hadith of Prophet(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) as they reject all the hadith of the Prophet(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam).



Ahle Hadith (La Madhabiyya - those who do not ascribe to a correct path) asks : Follow the Four Imams or Imamul Ambiyaa(Prophet(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam)).

The Ahle Hadith says that the Four Imams came years after the Prophet(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) and, Neither Allah nor the Prophet(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said to follow the Four Imams so why should we follow them. We should follow only Allah and His Prophet(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) the Pure Islam. they give a false impression that the books of the Imams have been compiled years after the Imams, same like Shia say about Quran and Ahle Quran say about Hadith Books.

Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah answers : First question of the Ahle Hadith is that neither Allah nor the Prophet(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said to follow the Imams so why should we follow them,
this question can be easily understood if we ask a counter question:
Did Allah and His Prophet(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said to follow Ibn Taimiyya(ra), or Shaykh Albani(ra) or Other Ahle hadis Shaykhs which the Ahle Hadis brothers follow?

The Arab Scholars call this group as La Madhabiyya - those who do not ascribe to a correct path. This group cannot tolerate those Sahih hadith of the Prophet(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) which goes against the opinion of their imam Shaykh Albani(ra) and they reject those hadith of the Prophet(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) Which are Sahih(authentic) which the people among the Ahlus Sunnah are following right from the time of Sahaba(RA) untill today.

Allah(awj) says in the Quran Surah An-Nisa Verse 59: "O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you".
In this verse obedience is for Allah , His Messenger(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) , and Those charged with authority among you - The Four Imams were the people whom the whole ummah took as authority for their Deen(explanation of Quran and Sunnah) right after the time of Sahaba(ra) .

In Surah Al-Nahl(16:43)- Allah(awj) says "Ask the people of Knowledge, If you do not know" The whole Muslim ummah took the Four Imams as the People of Knowledge right after the Sahaba(RA) until today. As the Knowledge which this Imams got was First Hand from Sahaba(RA) and their Students(the Tab'een), The Sahaba(RA) got their Knowledge from the Master(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam).On the other hand the knowledge which the Ahle hadis brothers got is from their Imam Sh. Albani(ra) who was in the 19th century.

All the Four Imams have their Evidence from Quran , Sunnah , and the lives of Sahaba(RA) it is only that one imam has given preference to one Hadith of the Prophet(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) the other Imam has his proof from the other Hadith of the Prophet(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam).

Note:

There are different Sub groups within the Ahle Hadis group, they differ in Aqedaah and Fiqh :

For example some say that the dress of the prophet(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) is Sunnah and should be followed while others say that the Dress of the Prophet(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) is not sunnah but just a cultural dress of the Arabs,
Some say we should not leave Sunnah of the Prophet(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) while other say that Sunnah is optional.
Like this there are many differences among the Sub groups of Ahle Hadis in Aqeedah and in Fiqh.

The two Groups of Ahle Hadis scholars i came across:

I came across two Shayks both Ahle Hadis from Madina University and both are friends but one Says about the Sahabi- Ibn Masud(RA) and about Imam Abu Hanifa(ra) such bad words that cannot be described, and then the other Shaykh does not says bad about Imam Abu Hanifa(ra) rather he encourages the good work of Imam Abu Hanifa(ra), i request the Ahle Hadis brothers to follow their Shaykh who is soft with regard to Imam Abu Hanifa(ra) and the Sahaba(RA) and do not follow those who says Kafir, Shirk , Biddat on small fiqhi issues and specially who point bad towards the Sahaba(RA).



The Principle (Usool) of Ahle Tashi, Ahle Quran and Ahle Hadith is the same :

The Ahle Tashi say that the Quran was compiled years after the Prophet(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) and they reject Quran, The Ahle Quran says that the Hadith books were compiled years after the Prophet(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) and so they reject them, The Ahle Hadith says that the Imams came years after the Prophet and their Books have been written years after them (which is a lie) and so they reject them. - See the Usool is the same for all three groups.



People who do not have knowledge about compilation of Quran, fall into the Doubt of Ahle Tashi's,(i.e. Reject the Quran).

People who do not have knowledge about compilation of Hadith, fall into the Doubt of Ahle Quran,(i.e. Reject the Books of Hadith).

People who do not have knowledge about compilation of Fiqh fall into the Doubt of Ahle Hadith,(i.e. Reject the Fiqh of Four Imams).



Period of Compilation of Quran , Fiqh , Hadith and books of Ahle Hadith:

Compilation of Quran : During the time of the Prophet(Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) and his companions(Sahaba(ra)).

Compilation of Fiqh : During the time of the Four Imams and by their Students while the Imams were still alive.

Compilation of Hadith: During the time of the Muhadditheen(Imam Bukhari,Muslim,Tirmidhi (raa)...).

Compilation of Books of Ahle Hadith : all after 19th Century

Tafseer of Quran by Sanaullah amritsari in late 19th Century.
Fatawaa of Nawab Siddiq Hasan Khan in 1422AH late 19th Century.
Fatawaa Sattariyya by Abdul Sattar in late 19th Century. .
Sifatus Salaah by Shaykh Albani in around 1990's.

Some Ahle Hadith brothers tell everyone not to follow the Books of Madhahibs which they say are written years after the Imams (which is a lie anyway) and they do not tell that their Books are written after 19th Century. Not a single Tafseer of Quran (or) Book of Fiqh of Ahle Hadith existed before 19th century - if there is any please show the people.

Source of above Information : Book on Taqleed by Mufti A.H.Elias.